The Next Move - Season 1

Episode 5: Government for All of Us with Heather McGhee

Episode Summary

What role can our government play in making our lives better? And what role can we play in our government? Heather McGhee, Distinguished Senior Fellow and former President of Demos, is just the person to answer these questions. In this episode, George talks to Heather about building on our gut-level interconnectivity towards a more inclusive future. Heather McGhee digs into the work that needs doing, how we transform our government and do that in a way that creates meaningful, equitable jobs for everyone.

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Guest Bios

Heather McGhee

Heather McGhee is Distinguished Senior Fellow at Demos, the “think-and-do” tank that she ran from 2014 to 2018. She is author of the forthcoming book, The Sum of Us: What Racism Costs Everyone and How We Can Prosper Together.

Twitter: @hmcghee

George Goehl

Host

At age 21, George Goehl walked into a soup kitchen to eat. Over time, he became an employee – first washing dishes and eventually helping run the place. Three years later, he was struck by seeing the same people in line as when he first arrived. He began to organize.

Today, George is the director of People’s Action, a multiracial poor and working class people’s organization. He leads one of the largest race-conscious rural progressive organizing efforts in the United States.

Following the financial crisis, George and National People’s Action mobilized more people into the streets than any other organization to demand accountability, help win Financial Reform, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, and secure mortgage relief.

The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Guardian, CNN, MSNBC and others have covered George’s organizing work.

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Learn More

Heather C. McGhee: Racism has a cost for everyone | TED Talk
In The Atlantic, Adam Serwer writes about how the pandemic has exposed the brokenness of America’s racial contract and the government that’s been built with it.
Jim Tankersley, an economics and tax reporter at The New York TImes, investigates how low-income essential workers of color have been weighing the question: ”Job or Health?.”
In an op-ed for the New York Times, researchers at the Centre for Experiment Research on Fairness, Inequality and Rationality ask: “What do you owe your neighbor?”
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